Today we open the container with Robert Hanna. Doug begins today's episode with an exploration of the profound cultural shift from outright denial to a pervasive apathy regarding environmental issues. But he also offers a more hopeful narrative, showcasing significant victories in conservation, such as the surge in dam removals across the United States. Doug is then joined by Robert Hanna, a descendant of the renowned environmentalist John Muir. Robert talks about the ongoing struggle for conservation, emphasizing the necessity of collaboration across all communities. Thanks for listening! Open Container is a production of Rock Fight (https://my.captivate.fm/rockfight.co) , LLC. Let's Get Some! Sign up for NEWS FROM THE FRONT, Rock Fight's semi-weekly newsletter by heading to www.rockfight.co and clicking Join The Mailing List. Please follow and subscribe to Open Container and give us a 5 star rating and a written review wherever you get your podcasts. Send your feedback, questions, and comments to myrockfight@gmail.com (mailto:myrockfight@gmail.com) .

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