Tom Uren and Amberleigh Jack talk about how the funnel that turns kids into cyber criminals has evolved over the last decade. Cybercrime's reach has broadened, it is more lucrative and more violent. They also talk about new thinking about deterring America's cyber adversaries. Show notes: * CSIS's Playbook for Winning the Cyber War https://www.csis.org/programs/intelligence-national-security-and-technology-program/playbook-winning-cyber-war * Bloomberg reporting on Scattered Spider https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2025-09-19/multimillion-dollar-hacking-spree-scattered-spider-teen-s-jailhouse-confessions

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