In this edition of Between Two Nerds Tom Uren and The Grugq wonder whether it is possible to deter states from cyber espionage with doxxing and other disruption measures. Show notes: - MasterCard sponsor interview https://risky.biz/RBNEWSSI108/ - Department 40 exposed, https://blog.narimangharib.com/posts/2025%2F11%2F1763938840948?lang=en - Charming Kitten exposed, https://content.iranintl.com/secret-spy-unit-leads-irans-intel-gathering-for-surveillance-deadly-plots/index.html

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