China Is Already Inside America's Power Grid — And We Handed Them The Keys

America’s cyber vulnerabilities may have less to do with hackers and more to do with the insecure software powering everything from banks to power grids. Former CISA director and CEO of RSAC, Jen Easterly joins Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer to discuss why America’s cybersecurity crisis may actually be rooted in insecure software and how new AI tools could fundamentally reshape cyber defense. Easterly explains how decades of flawed software design created today’s cyber vulnerabilities, why China’s Volt Typhoon campaign exposed weaknesses in U.S. critical infrastructure, and how AI models like Mythos and GPT-5.5 Cyber could give defenders a critical head start against cyberattacks. They discuss: - China’s Volt Typhoon operation and U.S. infrastructure vulnerabilities - AI, cyber warfare, and the future of cybersecurity - Ransomware, software liability, and “secure by design” - Cyber lessons from Ukraine, Iran, and critical infrastructure attacks - Deterrence, resilience, and the next phase of cyber conflict Jake and Jon also discuss the latest developments in the Iran war, tensions around Cuba, the Ebola outbreak in the Congo, and President Trump’s summit with Xi Jinping in Beijing. A deep dive into cybersecurity, artificial intelligence, cyber war, China, ransomware, critical infrastructure, software security, and the future of national security. #cybersecurity #AI #China #CyberWar #JenEasterly #ArtificialIntelligence #NationalSecurity #Ransomware #CyberAttack #USChina Follow The Long Game so you never miss an episode. New episodes drop weekly. New episodes drop weekly — follow The Long Game on Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts: https://pod.link/1850526014 Follow The Long Game on socials: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/podlonggame TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@podlonggame Chapter Titles: 0:00 — Cybersecurity’s Software Quality Problem 0:45 — Meet Jen Easterly 2:37 — Today’s Cyber Threat Landscape 6:17 — Secure by Design and Critical Infrastructure 15:01 — Mythos, AI, and the Future of Cybersecurity 24:20 — China’s Cyber Threat to U.S. Infrastructure 28:23 — Cyber Deterrence, Russia-Ukraine, and Iran 39:59 — Lightning Round with Jen Easterly 45:35 — Jake and Jon: Iran Update and Trump-Xi Summit Readout #cybersecurity #AI #CyberWar #China #JenEasterly #ArtificialIntelligence #NationalSecurity #CyberAttack #Ransomware #USChina #CriticalInfrastructure #Geopolitics #SoftwareSecurity #TechPolicy #foreignpolicy