Margaret MacMillan: What Can History Tell Us About Ukraine’s Future? | The Foreign Affairs Interview

Foreign Affairs invites you to listen to its podcast, the Foreign Affairs Interview. This episode with Margaret MacMillan was originally published on June 15, 2023. Ukraine’s counteroffensive is shaping up to be the biggest military operation in Europe since World War II. As Kyiv works to push back Russian troops, there is a lot of focus on how modern technology including drones and satellite Internet terminals is being deployed. But these new advanced systems aside, the battlefield scenes from Ukraine’s frontlines look like they could be from the western front in 1916. For the historian Margaret MacMillan, the resonance of World War I goes well beyond the images coming out of Ukraine. As she writes in a new essay for Foreign Affairs, the experience of that earlier great war in Europe “should remind us of the dreadful costs of a prolonged and bitter armed conflict.” We discuss how leaders decide to stop fighting, the usefulness of historical analogies, and how the end of one war can lay the groundwork for the next. SOURCES FOR THIS EPISODE “How Wars Don’t End” by Margaret MacMillan https://www.foreignaffairs.com/guest-pass/redeem/tJmZK7yEdUY “Leadership at War” by Margaret MacMillan https://www.foreignaffairs.com/guest-pass/redeem/SCQpUYfrcJU “Which Past Is Prologue?” by Margaret MacMillan https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/united-states/2020-08-11/history-which-past-prologue “Warnings From Versailles” by Margaret MacMillan https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/europe/2019-01-08/warnings-versailles