How Does China Want the War in Ukraine to End? | The Foreign Affairs Interview

Foreign Affairs invites you to listen to its podcast, the Foreign Affairs Interview. This episode with Bonny Lin and Alexander Gabuev was originally published on May 18, 2023. This week, a top Chinese envoy is traveling across Europe, making stops in Ukraine and Russia. Beijing says that the purpose of the trip is to discuss a “political settlement” to the war. But this diplomatic push raises bigger questions not just about China’s attempt to position itself as a peacemaker but also about the growing closeness of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping. Bonny Lin is a fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. She previously served in the Pentagon, including as country director for China. Alexander Gabuev is the director of the Carnegie Russia Eurasia Center, based in Berlin, where he moved after leaving Moscow at the start of the war. We discuss the relationship between Putin and Xi, how China has responded to the war in Ukraine, and whether China might provide Russia with lethal aid. SOURCES FOR THIS EPISODE “What’s Really Going on Between Russia and China” by Alexander Gabuev https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/whats-really-going-between-russia-and-china “China’s New Vassal” by Alexander Gabuev https://www.foreignaffairs.com/china/chinas-new-vassal “Can China Thread the Needle on Ukraine?” by Bonny Lin https://www.foreignaffairs.com/china/can-china-thread-needle-ukraine “China’s Ukraine Crisis” by Jude Blanchette and Bonny Lin https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/china/2022-02-21/chinas-ukraine-crisis “Beyond Ukraine’s Offensive” by Michael Kofman and Robert Lee https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/russia-war-beyond-ukraines-offensive