This week, our guest is Philani Mthembu, Executive Director at the Institute for Global Dialogue in Pretoria. We discuss the South African perspective on the war in Ukraine, China, and BRICS. Time Stamps: • 01:19 How many languages do you speak? • 01:58 What is the purpose of the Institute for Global Dialogue? • 03:29 What has changed since the ANC lost its majority? • 05:12 To what extent are relations with the US and Russia shaped by the legacies of the liberation movement? • 14:09 South African reaction to Ukraine’s rejection of its Soviet past • 15:36 What is the South African attitude toward the war in Ukraine? • 28:00 How is China perceived in South Africa? • 36:46 Philani’s experience as a student in China • 42:12 South Africa’s vision for BRICS • 48:26 What is the logic of BRICS expansion? • 53:20 How does BRICS seek to reform the international financial architecture? *The Trialogue Podcast is hosted by the Stimson Center and produced by University FM. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com (https://pcm.adswizz.com) for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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