Leonard Benardo, Senior Vice President at the Open Society Foundations, joins us to discuss OSF’s emergence and evolution, defining values of open societies, and heterodox thinking for turbulent times. Listen and subscribe on Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-trialogue/id1765328819) or Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/50ro3wXejxUvBM21QoS7PD?si=98547323fe0946b1) to stay updated with the latest episodes! *The Trialogue Podcast is hosted by the Stimson Center and produced by University FM. Time Stamps: • 01:29 – Lenny Benardo’s Biography • 05:20 – Origins of OSF’s Name and Mission • 09:23 – The “Wild East” and OSF’s Work in the Former Soviet Union • 16:55 – OSF’s Approach to Russia, Post-Soviet States, and Eastern Europe • 18:53 – Conceptualizing Human Rights • 22:06 – Western Foundations, Domestic Politics, and the Case of Hungary • 25:01 – Tensions Between Nationalism and Liberal Universalism • 30:14 – Dynamics of EU Expansion • 36:36 – “Open Society” as a Concept Today • 38:42 – Ideas Versus Action • 47:45 – Lessons Learned for Approaching China • 50:43 – Future of Transatlantic Relationship • 54:28 – The Status of American Empire Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com (https://pcm.adswizz.com) for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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