Curt Mills, executive director of The American Conservative magazine, joins the Trialogue to discuss the evolution of anti-interventionist thought on the American right. In this conversation we cover the origins of American empire, the extent of U.S. global commitments, the future of NATO, competition with China, and the strategic direction of U.S. foreign policy in Trump’s second term. Listen and subscribe on Apple Podcasts (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-trialogue/id1765328819) or Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/50ro3wXejxUvBM21QoS7PD?si=98547323fe0946b1) to stay updated with the latest episodes! *The Trialogue Podcast is hosted by the Stimson Center and produced by University FM. Timestamps: • 00:01:37 The Origins of The American Conservative and Anti-Interventionist Conservatism • 00:04:30 From Iraq War Dissent to “America First” • 00:09:07 American Empire, NATO, and the Case for Retrenchment • 00:29:19 Russia, Iran, and the Limits of Threat Inflation • 00:38:08 China as a Peer Competitor and Managing Great-Power Competition • 00:45:18 Grading Trump’s Second Term: Wars, Trade, and Immigration Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com (https://pcm.adswizz.com) for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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