This week, our guest is Anastasia Likhacheva, Dean of the Faculty of World Economy and International Affairs at the Higher School of Economics in Moscow. Time Stamps: • 01:48 Studying sanctions since 2016 • 03:27 Nord Stream and the abrupt change in European attitudes after February 2022 • 6:22 Western companies leaving (and returning) to Russia after February 2022 • 8:52 Inability of both Western and Russian experts to correctly predict the trajectory of the Russian economy after the application of sanctions • 13:40 “We started to pivot to the East before it was fashionable” • 16:57 Sanctions don’t work if third countries don’t cooperate • 21:23 The future of sanctions • 24:04 Prospects of sanctions relief • 32:10 Economic beneficiaries of external sanctions • 34:24 Continued Russian tourism in Europe • 35:46 A new generation of Russian elites • 39:58 How do your students see the world? *The Trialogue Podcast is hosted by the Stimson Center and produced by University FM. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com (https://pcm.adswizz.com) for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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