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“okay the first digital machines were 3m you know this was long before that i mean it was probably maybe 8 bit really but there was no noise there was no hiss and that was like wow this is pretty cool then there was the sony uh 24 bit and um and that sounded better and i started using that up to 48 tracks on that wow but every once in a while i go you know what it doesn't sound like tape um and so i got to where i record i would record certain things on digital and i never liked that so i never went there so i record certain things digital and other things like rock if there was hard rock i would go tape multi-track tape two tape machines for example double fantasy is a 16 track and a 24 track studer locked together synced up together so you're always keeping tape as as a recording yeah i mean for some things i mean yeah you know some people just didn't even want to know about digital in the early days um and the early pro tools i wasn't too crazy about it but i got into it [Music] it was competitive but anyway then i got into like just listening to cds because the convenience of not having to flip them over and you know my turntables were always manual so it was always make sure you get it written beginning of the record and yeah but um i then i was just not doing vinyl anymore at all period just was over and i was just listening to siege i had tremendous cd collection and still doing um and then i got to look at your ad and i thought our home here in niacc um you know we have a fairly large system for the tv and we have a fairly large system for where i put cds but there was room for what i saw in the living room for that unit and it just sounded right to me and so um i inquired about it and and and bought it from you guys and you delivered that together it was very exciting thanks for that and um and put on um announce it to uh the garage and my son who my other son who is now works for uh for everybody but in particular he's been installing dolby atmos in studios right he was once a dj when he was a kid and his two techniques and his mixer and boxes of his albums were outside and so i went out and i got one that looked like it was in pretty good condition i put it on the turntable after i set it up properly and i was like wow this sounds pretty good so i went and got some of my test pressings that are in really good condition uh double fantasy aerosmith paddy smith cheap trick i started playing my test presents particularly ones that um because i would have two or three of each album the ones that were approved meant that there were no there was no surface noise i had okayed them and i started listening to those and now it's down to i'm having an album delivered every day yeah you got the vinyl bug that people often get right and it just sounds so wonderful and warm and today what was to uh wish you were here pink floyd and um nice and i you know i put that on and worked out to it and i put a mat down in the living room i did my floor exercise yeah and and um and my wife said to me um that's the coolest thing you've bought in a long time well that's a good comment and good feedback right yeah yeah so i mean today we ordered what amy winehouse's uh first album so i need we are you know she's telling me all the things that she needs i'm desperately trying to get uh the the parlophone the english version of rubber soul and mono uh it's very hard to find yeah tell us about mono we had spoke last week about your views on mono you know every people listen to stereo and sometimes they don't realize there is a stereo and a mono and we're talking kind of the general audience what is it about mono that still interests you you know the thing about mono and and uh you know when i bought all of the beetle albums up to uh up to sergeant pepper you know i think even asks in mon those those are the records that i wanted and i bought them they were mama and um and then i had a long discussion with john about starting mixing double fantasy he was like don't you let's not make it too wide i said that's fine i said you really prefer mono i never got it two-hour discussion about how when they mixed those records so the white album that i got instead uh but when they mixed those records they mixed mono in in uh at uh abbey road studios emi studios and they mixed for depth uh and not for this big left and right thing you know it was all about depth and when you listen to those records in mono you understand that the things go back back just and the clarity of hearing that those mono mixes of their you know if you think of um if you think of music as a theater um then you could you could think of that that the stereo is like a movie screen it's a bit flat but there's a left and right and if you think about mono think of the metropolitan opera house where there's just tremendous the stage is so right it's really far back yeah and that's what those mono records sounded about and it was really funny again when i started working with john long before i would ask him questions like this i started working with him on imagine and and while we were doing imagine both he and phil spector wore buttons that said back to mono back to mono and we'll start seeing those again right i think i still have one of those buttons because he gave them to everybody that was involved in the sessions so i now start buying and received a bunch of dylan records uh highway 61 revisited uh blonde blonde all the way going back i've already got those and they are and they're mono the original columbia mono recordings were still available brand new and they sound wonderful i wonder with with everybody buying so many records again this whole new generation that perhaps there will be more people kind of exploring this mono thing and you know maybe just some some renewed interest in it you know just like now i'm kind of interested in hearing more mono you know where i wasn't before but you want to start with records that were mixed in so right you know not a whole lot of them available i think there is i think there's a beetle box of vinyl but it's a box and i think it's about two thousand dollars of original mono recordings i'm not sure if i'm going to go in that direction i'll call you tomorrow and you probably have it you know yeah you know it's interesting there's been just so many different formats over the years you know tapes cds you know streaming you know in the early 2000s and now now you have really high res being pushed you know on a more kind of mass level and high res and lossless so yeah you know like the flax stuff um it does you know i guess kind of back in the day right when you were when you were just kind of getting started it was really you only had a few things you had vinyl and maybe tapes right now now it seems like there's so many different choices how does that i guess what i'm getting that is how does that kind of change the way music is made you know recorded mixed mastered you know i think i've mentioned this to you once before and that is on my console in los angeles um and i have every bell and whistle in that room you know every old piece of gear fairchilds poltex and anything you can imagine in the middle of the console is a bose wave radio yeah just a little black box that will play you know a cd and in the aux input is the output of the board that's the last place i go because if it sounds right in that little bose wave radio then it's going to sound right in earbuds it's going to sound right streamed yes um there's something about that radio that goes away reader that really sounds like what the consumers are listening to so maybe you could talk about the test pressings again real quick you know what and you're still using this process even with uh joe perry's recent record that you're talking about you know yeah um just in time you know he i mean i literally i had the i had the unit up and running for like two days and joe calls me up and says i got the i got the test pressings for my new album at johnny depp and i produced and uh and so um he's gonna send it to you you tell me if it's okay and so um i was able to play it and then he said what did you play it on and i sent him a picture of that and he got and he said what is that and i explained it to him and i told him hey it sounds you know exactly like what we're mixing you know i had a test pressing a double fantasy of course and that was also after putting up one of my son's hip hop something in that he was you know djing yeah and i went and i got a double fantasy test pressing that out and um and i put it up and it sounded like the mix and that is like the most important to me is that you know it represented the mix that i did perfectly so um you know that you can't really ask for more than that it's a great way to check test pressings and i think that i'll be checking a lot more test pressings because everything now that i've done has gone or is on its way to vinyl well i i thought maybe we could just wrap up with you know maybe what's the stuff you're working on now and kind of generally what do you what do you think is the future for vinyl is going to be are we going to have final in 50 100 years out amongst whatever formats we have you know then i i don't have you ever seen the movie forbidden planet no i haven't i haven't they um so that takes place in the future and in that they uh listen to recordings on a machine where they take this disc and they put it in this under this glass and it spins but not down it spins while it's sitting up and um and it creates a picture and it's like a dvd and this incredible sound so i remember seeing that that was nineteen you know i was like wow well you know at that point in time i was listening to 78 and i was thinking wow is that the future yeah so sir and the thing is we've gone way past that you know just way past it um i i don't know if they'll be vinyl in the future i think the next 20 years we'll be listening but uh i think that you know our industry is moving so fast that um you know we'll have some kind of implants and we'll just say play or we may even just think play this particular piece here in our skulls which are good conductors for for sound right yeah a hundred years from now it's some strange binormal configuration that will sound like that is more likely than anything a physical thing or any download okay well jack it's been a real pleasure and i can't wait to share this with the rest of the folks that follow us on social media etc etc so thanks again have a good rest of your day yeah yeah and see ya yeah see ya appreciate it talk to everybody all right bye”